Episode 50: The Dark Knight

28 Nov

In this episode, Tyler and Josh discuss Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight.

EPISODE BREAKDOWN
00:00:44- Intro, The Podcast Awards, Dan Parris, Give a Damn?
00:04:08- The Dark Knight

01:14:00- Break
01:15:00- Lord of the Flies

01:49:00- Episode wrap-up

2 Responses to “Episode 50: The Dark Knight”

  1. marc December 6, 2011 at 4:31 am #

    Enjoyed the episode, but thought you should mention the philosopher behind the worldview of LORD OF THE FLIES and, implicitly at least, your own, which is Thomas Hobbes. This Hobbesian view of man in nature (the infamous “nasty, brutish, and short”) is, of course, valid, but it is also one that can and I believe should be questioned. You asked the question, “why should we behave morally” and “where does morality come from” with the implication that society and civilization makes us more moral than we would be otherwise (with Christianity as the exemplar of this civilization). You dismiss the evolutionary model of morality by asking where does evil come from, but never mention the possibility (and there is scientific evidence to back this up) that society and civilization caused immmorality, and that pre-civilized humans, who were around for about 200,000 years before civilization began 10,000 years ago, evolved a moral system that demanded equality and altruism for survival. Check out the book SEX AT DAWN for a thorough explanation.

    Also, more needs to be said about Nietzsche, but I appreciate the fact that you didn’t turn him into a complete strawman as many Christians do. And certainly the films you discussed had the themes you outlined, which might be why neither is among my favorites, although both are well worth watching.

    Thanks for the episode.

  2. antho42 December 22, 2011 at 9:11 pm #

    Nietzsche is not a nihilist — or to be more precise, his philosophy is not embody by the nihilist, villain trope (e.g., Tom Cruise character in Collateral, Anton Chigurh, and the Joker). The nihilist, villain trope has little to do with philosophy; the trope derives from Russian literature of the nineteenth century, which later spawned a youth counterculture movement.

    When it comes to Nietzsche critique of “Good” and “Evil,” he is saying that the meaning of the two terms has change overtime in Western Civilization. He points out that during ancient Rome and Greece, both “Good” and “Evil” had different meanings. For Nietzsche, the contemporary notion of “God” and “Evil” derives from Judaism, which was later adopted by Christendom.

    Tyler– I have a problem with the strictly Western notion analyzes on the differences between religion and atheism. You talk about the importance of “Good” and “Evil” to human civilization, but you dismiss the non-Abrahamic religious perspective. For example, when it comes to the main religions in East Asia (e.g., Buddhism, Daoism, Shitonism, and Neo-confucianism) none of them view the world and human nature in a “Good” vs “Evil” perspective.

    Also, Tyler, not all Christians believe in absolute values. There are many Christian existentialist (e.g., Soren Kierkegaard)

    “If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe.”
    —Soren Kierkegaard

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